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=HT=Ingram · Jan 30, 2006, 08:49 AM // 08:49

yea actually they have objections to useful directx overlays as well. I used to use TeamSpeak overlay to see who was talking while in game. it works with hundreds of games but not GW. It causes the system to crash quite often actually. so I had to stop using it. However it was a great and convenient tool when it did work...

The other nice thing was it would also allow you to see the FPS of the game.. so if it started dropping too low. In the New PvE Tombs for instance... then you could wait up a sec and allow the server to sync up to prevent lag. Especially during Worm sieges in courtyard. That seems to be the worst place for dropouts due to disconnects from lag.

Tainek · Jan 30, 2006, 10:30 AM // 10:30

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Originally Posted by CyberNigma

Yeah, I read their website after that was posted, and it appears that they are doing something like WoW. This means they can probably see that you are running so-and-so program along with the game. I doubt anyone got banned because of hardware. Its more likely people with gaming keyboards may have been banned while using other, more malign software (which showed up just a bit below runescape's site in a google query), but not as a result of the keyboard itself (and the software that goes with it). They probably just banned everyone running one of the identified programs.

The funny thing is it looks like they are going to ban the 'real' accounts that some of the throw-away accounts used to store their goodies in :-)

EDIT:
Shiznit...

You know Guru is going down hill when they make people like me a 'Citizen'...

Ah yeah the warden, ive never understood how this can work effectivly though, if i wanted to use any kinds of hacks, i'd run linux+Hacks, then windows in a virtual pc, AFAIK the warden or any other kind of automated software is tottaly useless, and if random "reactions" can be generated, what hope is there for stopping them :|

Cybernigma: i would hope they look over the data before a ban, still no reply from last wensday from anet :|

Sliceman · Jan 30, 2006, 10:39 AM // 10:39

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Originally Posted by CyberNigma

Yeah, I read their website after that was posted, and it appears that they are doing something like WoW. This means they can probably see that you are running so-and-so program along with the game. I doubt anyone got banned because of hardware. Its more likely people with gaming keyboards may have been banned while using other, more malign software (which showed up just a bit below runescape's site in a google query), but not as a result of the keyboard itself (and the software that goes with it). They probably just banned everyone running one of the identified programs.

The funny thing is it looks like they are going to ban the 'real' accounts that some of the throw-away accounts used to store their goodies in :-)

EDIT:
Shiznit...

You know Guru is going down hill when they make people like me a 'Citizen'...

Im pretty sure they did the exact same thing as the Mass Ban of 02 I beleive.Most of the people banned were caught because a macroer does clicks at almost the same interval to the exact milisecond,which a human cant do.Also Aryan ran in its own Java window making it quite easy to detect,not to mention most accounts were on 18+ hours a day.

As for Guildwars macroing,it would be a waste of time,considering it is much different then other games when it comes to leveling.

Manic Smile · Jan 30, 2006, 12:06 PM // 12:06

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Originally Posted by Tainek

and if random "reactions" can be generated, what hope is there for stopping them :|

there isnt' dude...that's the really really scarry part...in a world without faces these designers are bluring the lines between man and bot

Tainek · Jan 30, 2006, 04:19 PM // 16:19

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Originally Posted by Sliceman

Im pretty sure they did the exact same thing as the Mass Ban of 02 I beleive.Most of the people banned were caught because a macroer does clicks at almost the same interval to the exact milisecond,which a human cant do.Also Aryan ran in its own Java window making it quite easy to detect,not to mention most accounts were on 18+ hours a day.

As for Guildwars macroing,it would be a waste of time,considering it is much different then other games when it comes to leveling.

but i dont want to macro to level myself (or to cheat for that matter), i just want some of the very most basic things (i.e, dance,) and a few more complex thigns such as:

setting up my build, for my mesmer i use a standard build for PVE missions, same skills and attributes for every mission (its particulally effective) , i'd love to press ctrl-b and have it set up my primary build, and ctrl a and set up my farming build- neither of these give me ANY advantage in playing the game, but do save me (i swap at least half a dozen times a daY) _Substancial_ amounts of time

also, im not enough of an idiot to not include human like reactions into a program

(no GM, i'm just neo, honest!)

Gorebrex · Jan 30, 2006, 06:23 PM // 18:23

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Originally Posted by Manic Smile

there isnt' dude...that's the really really scarry part...in a world without faces these designers are bluring the lines between man and bot

The usual response from a bot...

But seriously, it IS a big problem since you dont get the same advantages, usually, it could(with rampant macro use) degenerate into "Press button X to begin battle".

Tainek · Jan 30, 2006, 07:27 PM // 19:27

This i doubt very much, botting is only effective in a few situations, those where the AI is simple and predictable, it will never be effective enough to do 95% of the game (without True AI coming about) and its 100% redundant in PVP for very obvious reasons

as long as there are random variables, unpredictabilitys, and uncertainty, the game will always be bigger than "press a button to start fight"

of course a more complex program can be made to account for more and more variables, but why do this when you could spend that time actually PLAYING the game?

Gorebrex · Jan 30, 2006, 09:12 PM // 21:12

Oh no, not pure botting, I meant that with macros, you could have a set of anti(insert class here) commands, and just use those, it getting worse a technology progresses.

Tainek · Jan 30, 2006, 11:21 PM // 23:21

i suppose you could, but tbh, to use them i have to have them in my bar already, and if i have a macro do it, i'd lose control for the few seconds its active, and gain very little- if it is a 3 chain combo, i can do it just as fast as the macro- i can chain them together as they cast.

i'd say the only combos that benifit are trapping ones prehaps

CKaz · Jan 31, 2006, 06:17 PM // 18:17

huh interesting conversation

I have the nostromo n52 and quite frankly never got good at using it

however I do use its wheel to cycle targets and MUCH MUCH RARER make use of some of the directly mapped keys (ie running, function keys for skills, nothing fires more than one key, its just an alternate keyboard map)

However I think it has the ability to go farther, and I believe (?) this is an okay piece of hardware to use. It's set up to load the configuration and run when I start GW - again thusfar it's really never used beyond a cycler (looking for elite bosses or priority targets) with a left handed wheel.

I think you also mention a good point there too Tainek - yeah I chain stuff together too, it waits per spell lag. I suppose some skills might benefit from 'machine speed' execution but in general I've queued up my skills (usually spells) and am waiting for their execution (and in the case of spells, after-delay) rather than it waiting for my input.

Deathqueen · Feb 01, 2006, 12:55 AM // 00:55

Don't you guys ever use Shift+Up Arrow to repeat what you've said? I use it often in trading and looking for groups. I never have to type anything like that more than once. Shift+Up Arrow key and there's your text just like you typed it. (smile)

SchwarzKnight · Feb 01, 2006, 01:38 AM // 01:38

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Originally Posted by Tainek

setting up my build, for my mesmer i use a standard build for PVE missions, same skills and attributes for every mission (its particulally effective) , i'd love to press ctrl-b and have it set up my primary build, and ctrl a and set up my farming build- neither of these give me ANY advantage in playing the game, but do save me (i swap at least half a dozen times a daY) _Substancial_ amounts of time

On a somewhat-related note, I'd like to see A-net implement a "favorite build" feature in the character creation screen, where you could save some number of your oft-used builds to reload at the click of a button alongside the premades they already include. It would save a lot of time when re-rolling a PvP character for a specific situation.

hidden_agenda · Feb 01, 2006, 08:07 AM // 08:07

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Originally Posted by Sekkira

Wait a minute, you're telling me kitchen knives can kill people right?

GOOD GOD MAN! WE MUST BAN THEM IMMEDIATELY!!!!!!!

LOL...

By the same token, having sex spread AIDS, AIDS kill people. Therefore sex kills people. Let's ban sex...

I expect the human race to go extinct soon...

lg5000 · Feb 01, 2006, 09:13 AM // 09:13

Ok, I'm confused, can someone explain this to a technology-illiterate person?

I thought my keyboard/mouse/joystick came with special software so that my computer (the box thingy) recognises it... therefore, I'm assuming, that I can open guildwars and set up certain buttons to perform certain actions (like change the forward and backward buttons and such) to suit my personal preferences and input devices.

Except.. that wouldn't exactly be writing a macro... ?

How would you get banned for using a piece of hardware that you've asked your computer to accept and changed the settings in guildwars to use the features of the hardware?

And Hidden Agenda, at least the human race won't starve to death that way

Katch · Feb 01, 2006, 09:13 AM // 09:13

IMHO

I can't see Anet ever actively banning people for using simple macros. Whether they be executed by a programable controller or third party app. They hardly take the time to ban the botters out in Augury who use packet injection and memory loc bots.

As to the distinction between third party app and gamepad/keyboard macro use, this is absurd. All programable pads and keyboards are, are standard interface devices that have a (third party) software and driver which allows for macro writing and execution.

I have nothing against the use of these macros or pads, they have been present in gaming for a long time and do not give so much of an unfair advantage that you'd notice.

As for my n52, I love it. The 4 way D-pad is my best friend, push up and it triggers a macro (I+F9) up pops my inventory and bags, left and chat opens, right and the windowed map opens, down I get to see my character sheet.

mishop · Feb 01, 2006, 05:56 PM // 17:56

Anyone who has played other online RPGs knows that BOTs are not a funny matter. Anet is taking the hard line to protect their game. Many games have tried to combat macros and have failed. I hope they don't give up. Once a crack develops in the floodgate, its all over. Any Asherons Call players read these posts? They can tell you better than anyone.

Tainek · Feb 01, 2006, 11:08 PM // 23:08

Bishop have you read the thread? Macros =! Bots , bots are just one way in which macros can be abused, there are MANY benificial uses

twicky_kid · Feb 03, 2006, 06:01 AM // 06:01

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Originally Posted by Tainek

Bishop have you read the thread? Macros =! Bots , bots are just one way in which macros can be abused, there are MANY benificial uses

Yes but people will use them to benefit themselves with real money using them. The negative out weighs the good.

lg5000 · Feb 03, 2006, 06:12 AM // 06:12

Aww.. no-one can help out a games-illiterate person..

Ristaron · Feb 03, 2006, 06:27 AM // 06:27

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Originally Posted by Juicey Shake

What about ones generated by something like this? [ http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/input/7a71/ ] -- It's a craaazy keyboard with the ability to handle up to 18 programmable macros @_@.

I was thinking about getting that keyboard [my overly-expensive super sleek LED backlit keyboard's LED's just went out, +1/4 of them don't light up properly because of spilled soy sauce ^^;;], would the macros it could make violate anet's bot/macro detection system?

omfg.
buy me that for my birthday plzkthnx!